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NightStalkerXT · Jun 25, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08

ManadartheHealer you actually get it from salvaging.

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Originally Posted by Eclair

You can sell parchment to the materials trader for 100 gold =P

No you can not. You can sell it for 20g. Check out my screen shot.

kyrell · Jun 25, 2005, 09:10 PM // 21:10

I just salvaged them from those scrolls I got. Well 3 per click isnt that bad.

NightStalkerXT · Jun 25, 2005, 10:46 PM // 22:46

OK I just deceided to check some things out here. So to correct something and to send the blame to where it really belongs I have some things to add.

Originally Posted by Eclair

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Originally Posted by Eclair

You can sell parchment to the materials trader for 100 gold =P

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Originally Posted by NightStalkerXT

No you can not. You can sell it for 20g. Check out my screen shot.

It would seem that we could both be correct. Normal Vendors buy it for 20g, The rare Material Traders have a varring price based on supply and demand. I took 2 screen shots, one reflects 55g the other shows 65g. (3 screen shots attached)

So it would seem to be a problem centered around the Rare Materials Trader Pricing for buying from you vs what he will sell to you for. This is complicated by the fact that you can craft the parchment for 70g ea by buying wood on open market.

To use a simple example; When I sell Dye I look at the Dye Traders price then undercut that price. So that is all fair and good for the seller and the buyer. Everyone is happy. When you look at the Rare Materials Trader he sells parchment for 150g each, so people are undercutting the price and that is cool. But the problem is the fact that you can craft parchment for 70g (95g if you use vendors only) So the real problem is that Anet did not think through all the various methods of acquiring parchment when they implemented the Rare Materials Trader.

Van the Warrior · Jun 25, 2005, 10:54 PM // 22:54

you could just ya know salvage bows, staffs, wands, scrolls so 1 parchment costs only 20 gold lol

Divinitys Creature · Jun 26, 2005, 01:01 AM // 01:01

You can buy pre-made parchment from the trader.

For those of you saying that you can't charge more than the trader or its greedy, NO that's not how it works.

Consider this: If you want to buy >10 plant fibres or whatever from the trader, the 10 cost 150g (I can't remember the exact price this is just for illustration). You think that's 15g each - IT IS AT THAT QUANTITY, and above.

If you only need 2, and you don't have the cash to buy 10 and store the remainder or spend ages selling the spare ones after, you have a two options. First - get it off a guildie/friend. Second choice is to buy the 2 you need from a player.

When you buy from players in bulk they give a discount from the trader price, sometimes as low as 10g per. But when you buy less than 10 you pay more than the bulk value. Why? Because you are saving the money you would waste on 8 items you don't need and the time taken to sell those to players or the loss in selling them to the outfitter as singles. Also, the player selling them to you has to take the same time to sell 2 as 200. In the case of things you can craft for yourself it makes sense to do it yourself. The seller can charge a premium for saving time - it's called fairness and time=money.

Digitalblast · Jun 26, 2005, 01:26 AM // 01:26

wait till you get further, its worse and it should be. You need a few hundred bolts of cloth? If you wont buy my 3-4x inflated prices ill let you spend 4-8 hours looting the items.

Dyeeo · Jun 26, 2005, 01:29 AM // 01:29

Errr you can sell parchment to the rare materiasl trader from 80-120 gold.

NightStalkerXT · Jun 26, 2005, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by Dyeeo

Errr you can sell parchment to the rare materiasl trader from 80-120 gold.

Its a varying amount. I put two screen shots up one saying 55g and another saying 65g. (there is also a screen shot from Normal Vendor showing 20g) Thats why I said in post #23 "So the real problem is that Anet did not think through all the various methods of acquiring parchment when they implemented the Rare Materials Trader."

So the bottom line is this Dyeeo, if you can sell it to a trader for 120g (the high end that you found) why would you want to sell it to someone in game for 100g? If I can craft it for 70g (using wood bought on the open market) why would I pay 75g or more?

So restating the following seems to be in order;

"So the real problem is that Anet did not think through all the various methods of acquiring parchment when they implemented the Rare Materials Trader."

Edit:the screen shots are in post #23 end Edit

Dyeeo · Jun 26, 2005, 02:42 AM // 02:42

Just pointing it out :P I am not on any side of the argument.

Narcissus · Jun 26, 2005, 03:20 AM // 03:20

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Thats a prime example of why I don't buy from players. They want more for what they have to sell but don't want to offer crap for what you have to sell.

One of the primary reasons why the Rune trader is the most loved/hated npc in the game.

NightStalkerXT · Jun 26, 2005, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by Dyeeo

Just pointing it out :P I am not on any side of the argument.

Oh I know you were just pointing it out. I just thought it was a good opportunity to reiterate that its a problem created by Anet in the way they implemented the rare materials trader.

peace

d4nowar · Jun 26, 2005, 04:36 AM // 04:36

People spend the extra gold here and there because they want service. You don't go to a restaurant and cook your own food. You pay the restaurant so they can do it for you.

If you don't want to go to the restaurant, then at least you know how to cook.

Yes, there is only one type of food. So imagine it like Burger King or McDonalds, where every restaurant offers the same goods.

EDIT: Didn't remember why I had the quote in there...

Red Locust · Jun 26, 2005, 06:58 AM // 06:58

But this is not a restaurant, this is a game :\
It doesn't make sense, just like it doesn't make sense for people to charge 250g per steel ingot when you can buy it from the trader for 230g per.
The whole point of trading with other players isn't to pay extra for having to spare yourself some 2 minutes walking. It's for the buyer to buy at a lower price than the NPC trader sells, and for the seller to sell at a higher price than the NPC trader gives.

Kazahana · Jun 26, 2005, 07:29 AM // 07:29

people can charge whatever they want for an item if you dont wanna pay that much deal with it and dont buy from them simple as that.

d4nowar · Jun 26, 2005, 07:46 AM // 07:46

I'm not talking about steel. I'm talking specifically about parchment, the easiest/cheapest rare material to get if you take the time to do it yourself. Some people are rich enough (lazy enough) to pay a little extra for an added bonus.

Come on it isn't a hard concept to grasp.

Why buy a car when you can walk?

Why cook a steak when you can make top ramen?

Why, if you are a millionare, buy a $200 fancy pen when you can buy a $20 pen that looks almost the same and performs just as well?

Why go way out of your way to buy a cheaper product when a slightly more expensive product that performs the same is closer.

Ok I'm tired and those might not make sense, but do you get the point? Some people have money. They enjoy spending it. If they want to spend 200 gold on something when you are spending 180, let them. It doesn't change how you play the game.

Either people will know that the prices for something aren't what the guy says, and they will ignore him. Or they will get ripped off, but who cares if someone else gets ripped off? You don't know the person, so it doesn't apply to you.

Yes, I am selfish. No, I don't care much for the feelings of others (if I don't know them). Yes, I am probably a bad person.

NightStalkerXT · Jun 26, 2005, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by d4nowar

Yes, I am selfish. No, I don't care much for the feelings of others (if I don't know them).

That does not exactly fit in with your Guild name now does it? BTW the problem is still this........Anet did not think through all the various methods of acquiring parchment when they implemented the Rare Materials Trader.

Drakron · Jun 26, 2005, 07:20 PM // 19:20

Rare material and rune traders fixed the economy, you still want to trade with players if you just want 2-3 of something since material is always 10 each.

The only people that are pissed at those NPCs are the ones that were inflating the market prices, the days of 100 plat runes are finaly over.

I hate trading because unless you do it in a message board its hard to sell anything in game, a lot of items are hard to sell (try selling a weapon upgrade).

NightStalkerXT · Jun 26, 2005, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by Drakron

Rare material and rune traders fixed the economy, you still want to trade with players if you just want 2-3 of something since material is always 10 each.

The only people that are pissed at those NPCs are the ones that were inflating the market prices, the days of 100 plat runes are finaly over.

I hate trading because unless you do it in a message board its hard to sell anything in game, a lot of items are hard to sell (try selling a weapon upgrade).

I agree that the traders fixed the ecomomy and that part about the runes is cool

But when it comes to the parchment it's a little messed up. The point being this, when someone looks at parchment at the trader, it sells for 150g, so they undercut the trader and ask for 75-100g. That would be cool except for the fact that you can buy wood for 10g each from players and then use a crafter to make the parchment, resulting in a net cost of 70g each. As soon as everyone catches on to this then people trying to sell parchment will have a usless commodity. (I wont pay 75-100g to a player for parchment)

d4nowar · Jun 26, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by NightStalkerXT

(I wont pay 75-100g to a player for parchment)

So don't! Some people still are going to because they are too lazy or don't know how. If you don't like it then don't do it. Simple as that.

Sanji · Jun 26, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17

If you want Parchment at cost, your only viable option is crafting it yourself. It will save you time and money, since you don't care to pay people for theirs.

People aren't going to sit around in town trying to peddle crafting materials admist all the trade spam if they're not going to make a profit from doing so.